Thursday, October 18, 2018

random mutation and natural selection


All modern human science suffers from this:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-teicholz-wansink-dietary-guidelines-20181009-story.html
Sloppy science bears substantial blame for Americans' bad eating habits


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)32840-X/fulltext?utm_campaign=lancet&utm_content=83224321&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-27013292

  • Rush CJ 
  • Campbell RT 
  • Jhund PS 
  • Petrie MC 
  • McMurray JJV
Association is not causation: treatment effects cannot be estimated from observational data in heart failure.
Eur Heart J. 2018; 393417-3438

a counter is here:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/social-science-and-medicine/vol/210/suppl/C


Genetic Misdiagnoses and the Potential for Health Disparitieshttps://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1507092

John P. A. Ioannidis, MD, DSc
The Challenge of Reforming Nutritional Epidemiologic Research
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2698337

In the Era of Precision Medicine and Big Data, Who Is Normal?https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2679460

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2498853

Clinical Genomics
From Pathogenicity Claims to Quantitative Risk Estimates
Arjun K. Manrai, PhD1; John P. A. Ioannidis, MD, DSc2,3; Isaac S. Kohane, MD, PhD1
Author Affiliations
JAMA. 2016;315(12):1233-1234. doi:10.1001/jama.2016.1519

Fifteen years after the Human Genome Project, genomic variants have been associated with disease risk and outcomes in thousands of publications. Based largely on this literature, physicians who order genetic testing receive reports that indicate whether “pathogenic” variants have been found. This information aspires to form the basis of precision medicine. Knowledge of pathogenic variants is expected to lead to optimal management of individuals as well as their families through recommendations about further screening, prevention, and tailored treatment. However, in this Viewpoint, we suggest that current information on pathogenic variants is typically impossible to act on. This information is often unreliable and generally does not provide a quantitative measure of risk. The information the physician usually needs is the likelihood of disease among patients with the variant (penetrance), and an assessment of whether the genetic profile requires action or not.

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Stepehen C Myers’s  Darwin’s something
Does the math



James Tour has said that he does not understand the molecular mechanism by which micro-evolution could happen....

It also seems that evolution is in contra to Entropy, by nature there is less structure and the random events all follow a downward spiral of energy.  From where does the structure and energy come from to create evolutionary biology?
http://www.icr.org/article/does-entropy-contradict-evolution/
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/136-physics/general-physics/thermodynamics/816-does-evolution-contradict-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics-intermediate
https://advocatusatheist.wordpress.com/category/the-argument-from-entropy/

The counter argument here: 
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/136-physics/general-physics/thermodynamics/816-does-evolution-contradict-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics-intermediate 
conflates different scales.  I think they want to argue that the mutations will be ordered because somewhere outside the organism other mutations will be disordered...weird. Here they say:
"However, evolution does not take place in a closed system, but rather requires the existence of outside forces - i.e., natural selection."
This makes even less sense.  The random mutations are not random since after they mutate natural selection limits their ability to reproduce...

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Guy Sella (if I understood correctly) here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDNDaVcuXU (towards the end) says that it would take 5 million mutations to affect the height and roughly half that to affect the BMI.

Yet the number of mutations seems to be in the neighborhood of 1 per generation....

from:
http://book.bionumbers.org/what-is-the-mutation-rate-during-genome-replication/
Given the existence of these various mechanisms of genome rearrangement, it is interesting to consider the extent to which the space of possible genomic mutations is explored.  A recurring class of estimates in various contexts, such as the famed Levinthal paradox, center on how well biological systems “explore” the space of all possible outcomes.  In many of these examples (protein folding, space of possible genomes, etc.), the astronomical numbers of possible outcomes are simply staggering.  As a result, it is easy to wonder how thoroughly the space of possible mutations is “searched” within the human population. We explore how such an estimate might go in Figure 5. Given that there are about 7 billion people on earth, with on the order of ≈10 mutations per generation, we estimate that the current human occupants of the planet explore roughly 7×109x10 ≈ 1011 new mutations during the turnover from one generation to the next. This means that if we focus our attention on any single site within the 3 billion base pair human genome, dozens of humans harbor a mutation in that particular site. As a result, the space of single base pair mutations is fully explored amongst the entire population of humans on earth. On the other hand, if we consider a specific two base pair mutation we find that by random mutation it would require on the order of 107 generations of the human population to achieve it by chance!

And everyone seems to say that environment and pleiotropy (effects of other non directly associated elements) determine the mutation.... 

So, really there is very little random mutation, and the environment is the main driver of change....

so when sciam says:
But this does not mean that the mutations themselves occurred nonrandomly. In retrospect, it's as if they occurred where needed. But in fact they just accumulated where needed—first one, then another, and another, over very many generations. Getting two or more helpful mutations together in the same genome may take a while, but if they are not lost from the population, then this will eventually happen in a sexual species.
they are hiding behind ignorance, 'may take a while', like 10^7 years/generations?

The dependent probability is ZERO that two people will have significant mutations and those mutations will re-enforce each other and not get cancelled out and that will happen for numerous generations (since to affect change numerous mutations are necessary, 5 million if I understood Guy Sella...)

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Now thinking that the problem with the science of evolution is that there are no experiments to prove or disprove a theory.  How do you check if the reason teeth are smaller is because Humans developed a tool to crush food?  Get two populations of early humanoids and give one set a tool and the other don’t ?

=-=-= a different example:

=-=- an example might be:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/weather-forecasts-vs-climate-models-predictions.htm
So if we measure a lower level fact, that exists in a high dimensional space it does not help us underside a higher level behavior.  Unless we assume causative model.


Also we need to assume a distribution, such as a normal/gaussian distribution.  So we know how many observations we need.

לך לך


{א} וַיֹּאמֶר ה׳ אֶל אַבְרָם לֶךְ לְךָ מֵאַרְצְךָ וּמִמּוֹלַדְתְּךָ וּמִבֵּית אָבִיךָ אֶל הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר אַרְאֶךָּ
רש״י: {א} לך לך. להנאתך ולטובתך

{יג} אִמְרִי נָא אֲחֹתִי אָתְּ לְמַעַן יִיטַב לִי בַעֲבוּרֵךְ וְחָיְתָה נַפְשִׁי בִּגְלָלֵךְ:

{טז} וּלְאַבְרָם הֵיטִיב בַּעֲבוּרָהּ וַיְהִי לוֹ צֹאן וּבָקָר וַחֲמֹרִים וַעֲבָדִים וּשְׁפָחֹת וַאֲתֹנֹת וּגְמַלִּים:

נראה לי פשוט, שהתורה הגדירה הטבה שאברהם קיבל, צאן ובקר וכדומה.  והמדרש מקישבה לשפת המקרא, אברהם ביקש משרה ׳למען ייטב לי׳, ופרעה נענה ׳ולאברם היטיב׳.  כיצד ידע אברהם לחפש טובה?  עונה המדרש, ׳לך לך׳ להנאתך לטובתך.

האם זה באמת טוב לאברהם?  האם אברהם נהנה בזה שלקחו את אישתו ונתתו לו צאן ובקר עבורה?  ובהמשך, התורה אומרת:

{ב} וַיֹּאמֶר קַח נָא אֶת בִּנְךָ אֶת יְחִידְךָ אֲשֶׁר אָהַבְתָּ אֶת יִצְחָק וְלֶךְ לְךָ אֶל אֶרֶץ הַמֹּרִיָּה וְהַעֲלֵהוּ שָׁם לְעֹלָה עַל אַחַד הֶהָרִים אֲשֶׁר אֹמַר אֵלֶיךָ:

אותה ביטוי, ׳לך לך׳, ונוכל להמשיך לדרוש ׳לטובתך ולהנאתך׳.  האם עליית יצחק לעלה היא הטבה?  האם יש הנאה בזה?

נראה לי שהכוונה ׳לך לך: להנאתך ולטובתך׳ היא לא שבסוף הדרך אברהם יקבל טוב, חלילה שאברהם העובד את ה׳ מאהבה יחפש טובה כשכר על מעשיו.  אלא שהקב״ה מצווה את אברהם לחיות חיים של הנאה וטוב.

ונראה שאכן כך הם חיים של נהתנות, ומי שמחפש טובה לעצמו צפוי לקבל הרבה כאב.  אז

השאלה היא, מדוע אם כך הקב״ה ביקש שאברהם יחיה חיים של הנאה וטובה, שילך לעצמו, מדוע הקב״ה רצה שחייו של אברהם יהיו במסגרת של ׳לך לך׳, עצמאי, ובודד?

מעבר לכך שאברהם נתייחד ונבדד משאר האומות ואנשים, גם שרה נבדלת:
{א} ה׳ פָּקַד אֶת שָׂרָה כַּאֲשֶׁר אָמָר וַיַּעַשׂ ה׳ לְשָׂרָה כַּאֲשֶׁר דִּבֵּר:

מדוע לבודד את האבות כך?

ונראה לי שקיימת סקאלה טבעית לכל דבר, יש דרגה ומקום הראוי לכל חפץ תחת השמים.

https://ashlag-cause-and-kook-affect.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-natural-scale-of-thing.html

להבנתי לאחרונה קיימת בעיה שהגדרת הסקאלה במחקר. פרופ׳ אינודיס

https://ashlag-cause-and-kook-affect.blogspot.com/2018/10/random-mutation-and-natural-selection.html

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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-teicholz-wansink-dietary-guidelines-20181009-story.html

John Ioannidis, a Stanford University professor and evidence-based medicine expert, recently wrote that, given all of the problems with this kind of nutrition research, “Reform has long been due.” The claims of this weak science, when tested properly by rigorous clinical trials, have been shown in two analyses to be correct only 0% to 20% of the time. This means that 80% to100% of the time, they're wrong.

John P. A. Ioannidis, MD, DSc
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

The Challenge of Reforming Nutritional Epidemiologic Research
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2698337

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2498853
Clinical Genomics
From Pathogenicity Claims to Quantitative Risk Estimates
"However, in this Viewpoint, we suggest that current information on pathogenic variants is typically impossible to act on. This information is often unreliable and generally does not provide a quantitative measure of risk. The information the physician usually needs is the likelihood of disease among patients with the variant (penetrance), and an assessment of whether the genetic profile requires action or not."

=-=- an example might be:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/weather-forecasts-vs-climate-models-predictions.htm
So if we measure a lower level fact, that exists in a high dimensional space it does not help us underside a higher level behavior.  Unless we assume causative model.

Also we need to assume a distribution, such as a normal/gaussian distribution.  So we know how many observations we need.
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פקידה היא התמקדות על הפרט.  הרמב״ם במורה, ספר ראשון

פרק י' - פקידה, פירוק מקום על ידי השגחה
אומה, קהילה מול הגר, לראות את השוני באחדות ולפרק את הכלל
הרמב״ם מתייחס ל׳מקום׳, ועליה וירידה ממקום למקום...ואז הוא כותב:

״וכן אם חלה מכה על אומה או על אקלים 14 כפי רצונו המוקדם, 15 אשר מקדימים ספרי הנבואה לפני תיאור אותה המכה, שאותם האנשים פקד המעשיהם, ואחר כך הביא עליהם את העונש, הרי הוא מכנה גם את העניין הזה בירידה. 
מפני שהאדם קל מכדי שיפקדו 16 מעשיו ויוענש עליהם אלמלי הרצון.
וכבר נתבאר זה בספרי הנבואה, ונאמר: מה אנוש כי תזכרנו ובן אדם כי תפקדנו וכו 17, רומז לעניין זה, ולפיכך כנה את זה בירידה אמר: הבה נרדה ונבלה שם שפתם 18, וירד ה לראות 19 ארדה נא ואראה 20


שמות ל״ב
{לד} וְעַתָּה לֵךְ נְחֵה אֶת הָעָם אֶל אֲשֶׁר דִּבַּרְתִּי לָךְ הִנֵּה מַלְאָכִי יֵלֵךְ לְפָנֶיךָ וּבְיוֹם פָּקְדִי וּפָקַדְתִּי עֲלֵהֶם חַטָּאתָם:


מלכים ב׳ פרק ד׳
יא ויהי היום, ויבוא שמה; ויסר אל-העלייה, וישכב-שמה. יב ויאמר אל-גיחזי נערו, קרא לשונמית הזאת; ויקרא-לה--ותעמוד, לפניו. יג ויאמר לו, אמור-נא אליה הנה חרדת אלינו את-כל-החרדה הזאת, מה לעשות לך, היש לדבר-לך אל-המלך או אל-שר הצבא; ותאמר, בתוך עמי אנוכי יושבת.


במדבר/פרק ג/פסוק טו
אֵ֣לֶּה הַפְּקֻדִ֡ים אֲשֶׁר֩ פָּקַ֨ד מֹשֶׁ֤ה וְאַהֲרֹן֙ וּנְשִׂיאֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל שְׁנֵ֥ים עָשָׂ֖ר אִ֑ישׁ אִישׁ אֶחָ֥ד לְבֵית אֲבֹתָ֖יו הָיֽוּ

ויקרא/פרק יח/פסוק כה
וַתִּטְמָ֣א הָאָ֔רֶץ וָאֶפְקֹ֥ד עֲוֹנָ֖הּ עָלֶ֑יהָ וַתָּקִ֥א הָאָ֖רֶץ אֶת יֹשְׁבֶֽיהָ






The natural scale of a thing

[The attempt to measure the distance across levels feeds #pseudoscience #badscience #fakeScience,@John Ioannidis and @Christian List]

Everything can be characterized by two properties:
1. Intrinsic qualities and relationships with other things (extrinsic qualities).
2. The intrinsic qualities of a thing, best characterize the thing, if they are as different as possible, i.e. orthogonal.
3. The number of orthogonal qualities is the dimensionality of the thing.

A thing's relationship with other things provides a scale with which to analyze the thing

Everything has a natural scale.
There are two characteristics that define the scale of a thing:
1. The dimensionality of the things at that scale; and
2. The hierarchical relationship between different levels.

A higher level thing has a lower dimensionality than the dimensionality of the lower level things that it is related to.

There can be no metric to measure the distance between two things across levels

Why not?
Well simply:
1. A metric to measure distance between two elements requires that the elements be in the same dimension
2. By comparing two elements at different levels we are reducing the higher dimensional object to the lower dimension, this will collapse the information in the system.

Seems axiomatic. Do I need a proof?

Here is an example:
1. Assuming I want to measure the health benefits of eating a balanced diet.
2. At a high level I can gather data in a three dimensional space, carbs, protein and fat, macro nutrients.
3. I can also gather data at a lower level that is in a higher dimensional space, we can breakdown protein to amino acids. 
4. Now, if I want to compare the distance between two peoples diet, and measure their protein consumption.
5. What is the distance between a macro measure of protein and a micro measure of amino acids?
If I were to try, I could randomly/evenly distribute the macro content across all amino acids.
But that would be false.

Perhaps it is better to define the scale with a graph, social network.

Participation in two identities at the same scale is impossible

1. I can belong concurrently to different identities at different scales, but not multiple identities at the same scale.
2. The reason is that there is no conflict between different scale identities, they are disjoint.
3. Yet if I open my boundary, create an edge between nodes at different scales I will create a conflict.

That is the definition: If you have an edge you are at the same level.

Here is an example:
1. If I participate in a local network, my family, can I concurrently participate in a different family?
2. no! but I can participate in different scale identities.
3. I am both a member of my family and a member of my community.